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magnificent-energy-493
10/12/2021, 4:00 PM
Are you sure you need all three from the start?
It depends on your use case of course, but most often it is best to start with Ory Kratos and go from there.
This is also a good document to figure it out:
https://www.ory.sh/hydra/docs/next/concepts/before-oauth2/
magnificent-energy-493
10/12/2021, 4:01 PM
A community member recently did a full docker-compose setup for all four core projects:
https://github.com/radekg/ory-reference-compose
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hundreds-psychiatrist-38730
10/12/2021, 5:36 PMI wouldn’t need hydra from a pure UX pov
hundreds-psychiatrist-38730
10/12/2021, 5:39 PMmaybe i haven’t looked deep enough into Kratos for the permissions part.
hundreds-psychiatrist-38730
10/12/2021, 5:45 PMmaybe reading through the “self-service” part would tell me exactly what to do.
also to auth my api etc
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brash-insurance-92266
10/13/2021, 10:12 AM@hundreds-psychiatrist-38730 I imagine ory cloud could be an answer if you're looking for using ory as a service 🙂
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magnificent-energy-493
10/13/2021, 10:39 AM
Yes, if you want to forgo running Ory Kratos and other yourself and leave securing endpoints/UI/database as well as upgrading and managing everything to us, we are offering Ory Cloud. It is in early access at the moment, and we will upgrade to open beta soon 🚀
Right now you can sign up at https://console.ory.sh/registration and request early access.
magnificent-energy-493
10/13/2021, 10:42 AM
Otherwise @hundreds-psychiatrist-38730 I would definitely recommend doing the Ory Kratos Quickstart, and also reading the Concepts documentation.
When you have covered these basics you can try setting up a PoC with the Self-Service docs.
For reference you can also find something useful in the community projects.
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hundreds-psychiatrist-38730
10/14/2021, 3:09 PMoh i know @brash-insurance-92266 but i work as an SRE/DevOps so i would rather tinker with it my self and host it my self 😛
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bitter-coat-49094
10/18/2021, 8:36 AMwe use login.company.tld for the login page (for now required in Web because of Form posts as Kratos performs redirects with secure cookie. Due to Ory applicative architecture choice for now, i think it is mendatory to host such an SSO page. We tried doing it in pure Flutter (with for web) but "most javascript SPA" based ones wont work here as you can't access the redirected secure cookie for the self user modification). Then we have kratos proxied for now for i18n and hydra for token management, on backend we use oathkeeper and then Keto v2 called by gRPC interceptors for authorization. I will be talking about Pvotal Keto utilisation at Ory Summit on the 28th https://events.hubilo.com/ory-summit/home
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