Hello 👋. New to Ory but I really start enjoying more and more the stack. Just a question - can we use kratos without a SMTP server ? We would like to get the recovery link via API and then send them using our own microservices. Is this possible right now ? Trying to deploy Kratos via Helm but struggeling to get pass stmp requirements

Yes, you should be able to use Kratos without an SMTP server. I am not sure how to configure Helm or the dockerfile for this however. Also getting recovery via API should not be a problem. If you dont find a resolution, feel free to open a discussion.

Please see this issue: https://github.com/ory/kratos/issues/1030

Hey @User, thanks for that. It still a bit confusing for me as i would like to say I don’t need SMTP at all. If i don’t provide any connection details, I get

Error: couldn't find key smtpConnectionURI in Secret ory/kratos-helm

You might try to just put a dummy value, there might be too strict validation in the helm chart @User

Hey there, i have checked that this parameter is setup as required in kratos itself. That means you need to provide… something there, please check our charts repository for a sample: https://github.com/ory/k8s/blob/master/.circleci/values/kratos.yaml#L73 🙂

@User hello, thanks for that. I’ve tried that and still getting 503 on the health endpoint -

time=2022-01-18T08:27:17Z level=info msg=completed handling request http_request=map[headers:map[accept:*/* connection:close user-agent:kube-probe/1.21] host:10.1.1.73:4434 method:GET path:/health/read │
│ y query:<nil> remote:10.1.0.1:61886 scheme:http] http_response=map[headers:map[content-type:application/json; charset=utf-8] size:78 status:503 text_status:Service Unavailable took:1.000923368s]

503 on healthchecks is another issue entirely, With the missing config value the app wouldn’t start and the pod would be in a crashloop.

Hmm, I think you are right. will keep investigating

something you can try is to execute into the container and run

netstal -lptnu

to check if the used port/connection is opened

Hmm you are right, if i port-forward i can use the public apis. Will do some more investigation around that

Hey Cristi, if everything goes smooth, can we write a small guide here https://www.ory.sh/kratos/docs/next/debug/troubleshooting/ or here https://www.ory.sh/kratos/docs/next/guides/account-activation-email-verification/ ? e.g.

How to use Ory Kratos without SMTP server

would like to support you with that, if you are up to it 🙌

It doesn’t seem to work without providing a SMTP connection, you need to provide

smtp://

at least. The issue seems to be with the readinessProbe, it keeps getting 503. If i remove it from the deployment, it goes to running 1/1. I am testing now if email validation / recovery is working without properly smtp connection.

how should that work without smtp? I cannot send emails in that case?

So for example what I am trying to do is I don’t want Ory to send emails. I have an email microservice which is using Sendgrid to send emails so in another microservice i want to call Kratos and say hey give me the link the user should click and then i will pass the request to the email microservice and say send this email with this link

So you will poll the admin API?

this was what I was thinking about. You see any issues with that ? 😄

Seems fine as a workaround until we implement that issue I send before

I can see there is a Create Recovery link but nothing for activation link. Isn’t this allowed via admin ? https://www.ory.sh/kratos/docs/reference/api/#operation/adminCreateSelfServiceRecoveryLink

You can use the recovery link as activation as well AFAIK.

Hmm, ok, let me test. If this is working then i’m gonna have a huge 🍺 this night !

Sure! that would be marvellous, just jot down some notes. The email verification is not working through the recovery link? I hope you can still enjoy a 🍺 tonight.