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@chilly-king-10285 how can I create hydra client that can access only one service?
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To create an Ory Hydra client that can access only one service, you can use the
hydra create client
command with specific options to limit its scope and access. Here's how you can do it: 1. Use the
hydra create client
command with the following key options: - `-n`: Set a name for your client - `-c`: Specify the allowed callback URL(s) - `-g`: Set the grant type(s) - `-r`: Set the response type(s) - `-a`: Specify the allowed scope(s) 2. Limit the scope to only the service you want the client to access. Here's an example command:
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hydra create client -n "my app" -c <http://localhost/cb> -g authorization_code -r code -a specific_service_scope
In this example, replace
specific_service_scope
with the actual scope that corresponds to the single service you want the client to access. You can further customize the client by adding more options as needed. For a full list of available options, you can refer to the [Ory Hydra CLI documentation](https://www.ory.sh/docs/hydra/cli/hydra-create-client). Remember that you can use tools like
jq
to parse the JSON response and extract the client ID and secret:
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client=$(hydra create client \     --endpoint ... \     --format json \     ... )  client_id=$(echo $client | jq -r '.client_id') client_secret=$(echo $client | jq -r '.client_secret')
By carefully setting the scope and other parameters, you can ensure that the created client has access only to the specific service you intend. [Ory Hydra CLI: hydra create client](https://www.ory.sh/docs/hydra/cli/hydra-create-client)
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@chilly-king-10285 how can I create a scope for the service?
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To create a scope for a specific service in Ory Hydra, it's important to understand that Hydra doesn't have a built-in mechanism for creating or managing scopes directly. Instead, scopes are typically defined and managed at the application level when you create or update OAuth 2.0 clients. Here's how you can effectively implement scopes for your service: 1. Define the scope: First, decide on a meaningful name for your scope that represents the specific service or permission you want to grant. For example, if you're creating a scope for a photo service, you might use something like "photos.read" or "photos.write". 2. Use the scope when creating or updating a client: When you create or update an OAuth 2.0 client, you can specify the scopes that the client is allowed to request. You can do this using the Hydra CLI or API. Using the Hydra CLI, you can create a client with a specific scope like this:
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hydra create oauth2-client \      --grant-types authorization_code,refresh_token \      --response-types code \      --scope photos.read \      --callbacks <http://127.0.0.1:9010/callback>
In this example, we're creating a client that can use the "photos.read" scope. 3. Implement scope validation: It's crucial to note that Ory Hydra doesn't automatically enforce scopes. You need to implement scope validation in your resource server (the service that's actually providing the protected resources). 4. Use scopes in authorization requests: When your application requests authorization, it should include the required scopes. For example:
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<https://your-hydra-server/oauth2/auth?client_id=your-client-id&response_type=code&scope=photos.read>
Remember, scopes are just strings as far as Hydra is concerned. The meaning and enforcement of these scopes are up to your application logic. For more detailed information on working with OAuth 2.0 clients and scopes in Ory Hydra, you can refer to the following resources: [Ory Hydra: Manage OAuth 2.0 and OpenID Connect clients](https://www.ory.sh/docs/hydra/guides/oauth2-clients) [OAuth2 scopes represent user consent](https://www.ory.sh/docs/oauth2-oidc/overview/oauth2-concepts#oauth2-scopes-represent-user-consent) These documents provide more context on how to work with scopes and OAuth 2.0 clients in Ory Hydra.
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@chilly-king-10285 What if I'm authenticating my requests through oathkeeper?
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If you're authenticating your requests through Ory Oathkeeper, you're using a different approach to access control that complements the OAuth2 flow we discussed earlier. Ory Oathkeeper is an Identity and Access Proxy that can be used to protect your services. Here's how it works in this context: 1. Oathkeeper as a reverse proxy: Ory Oathkeeper acts as a reverse proxy, sitting in front of your services and intercepting incoming requests. It can authenticate and authorize these requests based on rules you define. 2. Access Rules: Instead of relying solely on OAuth2 scopes, with Oathkeeper you define Access Rules. These rules determine how Oathkeeper should handle incoming requests. You can configure various authenticators, authorizers, and mutators in these rules. 3. OAuth2 Introspection: Oathkeeper can use OAuth2 tokens for authentication. It has an
oauth2_introspection
authenticator that can validate OAuth2 tokens against an OAuth2 server like Ory Hydra. Here's an example of how you might configure an Access Rule in Oathkeeper to use OAuth2 introspection:
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yaml - id: "my-api-rule"   upstream:     url: "<http://my-api-server>"   match:     url: "<http://my-public-url/<**>>"     methods:       - GET       - POST   authenticators:     - handler: oauth2_introspection       config:         introspection_url: <http://my-hydra-server/oauth2/introspect>         scope_strategy: exact         required_scope:           - photos.read
In this example: - The rule applies to all GET and POST requests to "http://my-public-url/". - It uses the
oauth2_introspection
authenticator to validate tokens. - It requires the "photos.read" scope, which we discussed in the previous answer. 4. Scope validation: Oathkeeper can validate scopes as part of its authentication process. In the example above, the
required_scope
field specifies which scopes are necessary for the request to be allowed. 5. Additional security: Oathkeeper provides additional security features beyond OAuth2, such as mutual TLS authentication, JWT validation, and more. For more detailed information on configuring Ory Oathkeeper, especially its OAuth2 introspection authenticator, you can refer to: [Ory Oathkeeper: oauth2_introspection configuration](https://www.ory.sh/docs/oathkeeper/pipeline/authn#oauth2_introspection-configuration) Remember, when using Oathkeeper, you're adding an additional layer of security and control. You'll need to configure both your OAuth2 server (like Hydra) and Oathkeeper to work together effectively.
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@chilly-king-10285 please provide an example http curl request that should be valid.
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To provide a valid example of an HTTP curl request that would work with Ory Oathkeeper using OAuth2 introspection, I'll construct a request based on the information from our previous discussion and the Ory documentation. Here's an example:
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bash curl -X GET \   -H "Authorization: Bearer YOUR_ACCESS_TOKEN" \   <http://my-public-url/api/photos>
Let's break down this curl request: 1. We're using a GET method, which matches our previous Oathkeeper rule example. 2. We're including an
Authorization
header with a Bearer token. This token should be a valid OAuth2 access token obtained from your OAuth2 server (like Ory Hydra). 3. The URL
<http://my-public-url/api/photos>
is an example endpoint that would be protected by Oathkeeper. For this request to be valid: 1. The access token must be valid and not expired. 2. The token must have the required scope (in our previous example, it was "photos.read"). 3. The token must pass the OAuth2 introspection check performed by Oathkeeper. Remember, the exact URL and required scopes will depend on your specific Oathkeeper configuration and the services you're protecting. If you want to see how Oathkeeper handles this request internally, you can refer to the [Ory Oathkeeper documentation on OAuth2 introspection](https://www.ory.sh/docs/oathkeeper/pipeline/authn#oauth2_introspection-access-rule-example). It shows how Oathkeeper processes requests with different types of tokens:
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curl -X GET -H 'Authorization: Bearer valid.access.token.from.peter' <http://my-app/some-route>  HTTP/1.0 200 OK The request has been allowed! The subject is: "peter"
This example demonstrates a successful request where the bearer token is valid and meets all the requirements set in the Oathkeeper rule. [Ory Oathkeeper: oauth2_introspection access rule example](https://www.ory.sh/docs/oathkeeper/pipeline/authn#oauth2_introspection-access-rule-example) Remember to replace
YOUR_ACCESS_TOKEN
with an actual valid OAuth2 token in your real-world requests.
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@chilly-king-10285 how can I get that bearer token? In a previous thread, you told me that I can use
Basic
token. And is there a way to use
Basic
token here instead?
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I apologize for any confusion. Let me clarify the situation regarding Bearer tokens and Basic authentication in the context of Ory Oathkeeper. To address your questions: 1. Getting a Bearer token: Typically, you would obtain a Bearer token through an OAuth2 flow, usually from an authorization server like Ory Hydra. However, this process wasn't covered in our previous conversation. 2. Using Basic authentication: Yes, it is possible to use Basic authentication with Ory Oathkeeper instead of a Bearer token. Oathkeeper supports various authentication methods, including Basic auth. To use Basic authentication with Oathkeeper, you need to configure your access rule to use the
oauth2_client_credentials
authenticator. This authenticator can use the username and password from HTTP Basic Authorization to perform the OAuth 2.0 Client Credentials grant. Here's an example of how you might configure an access rule for Basic authentication:
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yaml authenticators:   - handler: oauth2_client_credentials     config:       token_url: <https://my-oauth-server.com/oauth2/token>
With this configuration, you can make a request using Basic authentication like this:
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bash curl -X GET \   -H "Authorization: Basic $(echo -n 'your_client_id:your_client_secret' | base64)" \   <http://my-public-url/api/photos>
In this curl command: - We're using the
Authorization: Basic
header instead of
Bearer
. - The credentials (client_id:client_secret) are Base64 encoded. Oathkeeper will take these credentials and use them to obtain an access token from the specified
token_url
. If successful, it will allow the request to proceed. For more details on configuring and using the
oauth2_client_credentials
authenticator, you can refer to the [Ory Oathkeeper documentation](https://www.ory.sh/docs/oathkeeper/pipeline/authn#oauth2_client_credentials). Remember, the exact configuration and credentials will depend on your specific setup and the OAuth2 server you're using. [Ory Oathkeeper: oauth2_client_credentials](https://www.ory.sh/docs/oathkeeper/pipeline/authn#oauth2_client_credentials)
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@chilly-king-10285 please give me a complete example for http requests sent to authenticate access to a destination service through oathkeeper. Let's start with having client_id and client_secret. And let's consider that only clients with scope "photo.read" should be able to access the destination service.
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