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# ory-copilot
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@chilly-king-10285 is it possible to initiate/update a login flow for a logged-in user with only a password as payload to extend the privileged session?
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A message from kapa.ai
Yes, it is possible to initiate a login flow for a logged-in user to extend the privileged session using only a password as payload. This process is known as session refreshing or re-authentication. Here's how you can do it: 1. Initiate a login flow with the
refresh=true
query parameter: You can start a new login flow for an already logged-in user by calling the login endpoint with the
refresh=true
parameter [Ory Docs - Refreshing user session](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/bring-your-own-ui/custom-ui-advanced-integration#login).
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https://$<http://PROJECT_SLUG.projects.oryapis.com/self-service/login/browser?refresh=true|PROJECT_SLUG.projects.oryapis.com/self-service/login/browser?refresh=true>
2. Complete the login flow with the password method: Once the login flow is initiated, you can complete it by sending a POST request to the action URL returned in the login flow response. The payload should include the password and the method [Ory API Reference - updateLoginFlow](https://www.ory.sh/docs/reference/api#tag/frontend/operation/updateLoginFlow):
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json    {      "method": "password",      "password": "user_password"    }
3. Session extension: Upon successful re-authentication, the session's
authenticated_at
timestamp will be updated, effectively extending the privileged session [Ory Docs - Privileged sessions](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/session-management/session-lifespan#privileged-sessions). It's important to note that the duration of the privileged session is determined by the
privileged_session_max_age
configuration setting. After this period expires, the user will need to re-authenticate to perform privileged actions [Ory Docs - Privileged sessions](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/session-management/session-lifespan#privileged-sessions). Remember that this process will work as long as the user's session is still active. If the session has expired, the user will need to go through a full login process again.
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@chilly-king-10285 what is the process to allow users to change their password by sending them magic link?
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A message from kapa.ai
To allow users to change their password by sending them a magic link, you can use Ory's account recovery flow. However, it's important to note that Ory recommends using the one-time code method instead of magic links for better security and user experience. Here's the process: 1. Enable account recovery: First, ensure that account recovery is enabled in your Ory configuration. You can do this through the [Ory Console or CLI](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/self-service/flows/account-recovery-password-reset#configuration). 2. Configure the recovery method: Set the recovery method to
link
in your configuration. However, keep in mind that this is considered a legacy solution and may be removed in future releases. The [documentation recommends using the
code
method instead](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/self-service/flows/account-recovery-password-reset#supported-recovery-methods). 3. Initiate the recovery flow: When a user wants to change their password, they should start the account recovery process. This can be done through your application's UI, which should interact with Ory's API. 4. Send the recovery link: Ory will generate a recovery link. You have two options for sending this link: a. Let Ory send the email: Configure your email templates and SMTP settings, and Ory will automatically send the recovery email to the user. b. Send the email yourself: Use the [
createRecoveryLinkForIdentity
API](https://github.com/ory/kratos/discussions/3688) to get the recovery link, then implement your own email sending functionality. 5. User clicks the link: When the user receives the email and clicks the recovery link, they will be directed to a page where they can set a new password. 6. Password reset: After setting the new password, the user will receive a [privileged session](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/self-service/flows/account-recovery-password-reset) and be taken to their account settings page. It's important to note that while this process is possible, Ory strongly recommends using the one-time code method (
code
) instead of magic links (
link
) for several reasons: - Email virus scanners can invalidate magic links by opening them. - Magic links don't work well with mobile apps or smart devices. - Users might get confused if the link opens in a different browser than the one they initiated the flow in. For these reasons, consider implementing the one-time code method instead, which is [more user-friendly and secure](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/self-service/flows/account-recovery-password-reset#comparison). Remember to configure your [email templates](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/emails-sms/custom-email-templates) appropriately for the recovery process, whether you're using the
link
or
code
method.
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@chilly-king-10285 how do I configure a 2fa via sms in my ory identity config
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A message from kapa.ai
To configure two-factor authentication (2FA) via SMS in your Ory identity configuration, you need to follow these steps: 1. Enable the SMS method for 2FA: In your Ory identity configuration, you need to enable the SMS method for multi-factor authentication. You can do this using the Ory CLI or by editing the configuration file directly. Using the Ory CLI:
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ory patch identity-config <your-project-id> \
   --add '/selfservice/methods/code/mfa_enabled=true'
Or in your configuration file:
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yaml
   selfservice:
     methods:
       code:
         mfa_enabled: true
[Docs > Kratos > Mfa > SMS and Email 2FA](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/mfa/mfa-via-sms) 2. Configure the SMS channel: You need to set up an SMS channel to send the one-time codes. Ory supports various SMS providers through HTTP-based delivery. Here's an example configuration using Twilio:
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yaml
   courier:
     channels:
       - id: sms
         type: http
         request_config:
           url: <https://api.twilio.com/2010-04-01/Accounts/AXXXXXXXXXXXXXX/Messages.json>
           method: POST
           body: <base64://ZnVuY3Rpb24oY3R4KSB7CiAgVG86IGN0eC5yZWNpcGllbnQsCiAgQm9keTogY3R4LmJvZHksCn0>=
           headers:
             Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
           auth:
             type: basic_auth
             config:
               user: AXXXXXXX
               password: XXXX
Make sure to replace the URL, user, and password with your actual Twilio credentials. [Docs > Kratos > Emails-sms > Send SMS to your users](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/emails-sms/sending-sms) 3. Update your identity schema: Ensure your identity schema includes a field for the phone number and marks it as the identifier for the SMS method. Here's an example:
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json
   {
     "properties": {
       "traits": {
         "type": "object",
         "properties": {
           "phone": {
             "type": "string",
             "format": "tel",
             "title": "Phone Number",
             "<http://ory.sh/kratos|ory.sh/kratos>": {
               "credentials": {
                 "code": {
                   "identifier": true,
                   "via": "sms"
                 }
               }
             },
             "maxLength": 320
           }
         }
       }
     }
   }
[Docs > Kratos > Passwordless > Email and SMS one-time-code authentication](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/passwordless/one-time-code#custom-identity-schema) 4. Configure SMS templates: Set up the SMS templates for the verification codes. You can do this in your configuration:
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yaml
   courier:
     templates:
       verification_code:
         valid:
           sms:
             body:
               plaintext: "<base64://WW91ciB2ZXJpZmljYXRpb24gY29kZSBpczoge3sgLlZlcmlmaWNhdGlvbkNvZGUgfX0>="
[Docs > Kratos > Emails-sms > Send SMS to your users](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/emails-sms/sending-sms)
To configure two-factor authentication (2FA) via SMS in your Ory identity configuration, you need to follow these steps: 1. Enable the SMS method for 2FA: In your Ory identity configuration, you need to enable the SMS method for multi-factor authentication. You can do this using the Ory CLI or by editing the configuration file directly. Using the Ory CLI:
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ory patch identity-config <your-project-id> \    --add '/selfservice/methods/code/mfa_enabled=true'
Or in your configuration file:
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yaml    selfservice:      methods:        code:          mfa_enabled: true
[Docs > Kratos > Mfa > SMS and Email 2FA](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/mfa/mfa-via-sms) 2. Configure the SMS channel: You need to set up an SMS channel to send the one-time codes. Ory supports various SMS providers through HTTP-based delivery. Here's an example configuration using Twilio:
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yaml    courier:      channels:        - id: sms          type: http          request_config:            url: <https://api.twilio.com/2010-04-01/Accounts/AXXXXXXXXXXXXXX/Messages.json>            method: POST            body: <base64://ZnVuY3Rpb24oY3R4KSB7CiAgVG86IGN0eC5yZWNpcGllbnQsCiAgQm9keTogY3R4LmJvZHksCn0>=            headers:              Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded            auth:              type: basic_auth              config:                user: AXXXXXXX                password: XXXX
Make sure to replace the URL, user, and password with your actual Twilio credentials. [Docs > Kratos > Emails-sms > Send SMS to your users](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/emails-sms/sending-sms) 3. Update your identity schema: Ensure your identity schema includes a field for the phone number and marks it as the identifier for the SMS method. Here's an example:
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json    {      "properties": {        "traits": {          "type": "object",          "properties": {            "phone": {              "type": "string",              "format": "tel",              "title": "Phone Number",              "<http://ory.sh/kratos|ory.sh/kratos>": {                "credentials": {                  "code": {                    "identifier": true,                    "via": "sms"                  }                }              },              "maxLength": 320            }          }        }      }    }
[Docs > Kratos > Passwordless > Email and SMS one-time-code authentication](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/passwordless/one-time-code#custom-identity-schema) 4. Configure SMS templates: Set up the SMS templates for the verification codes. You can do this in your configuration:
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yaml    courier:      templates:        verification_code:          valid:            sms:              body:                plaintext: "<base64://WW91ciB2ZXJpZmljYXRpb24gY29kZSBpczoge3sgLlZlcmlmaWNhdGlvbkNvZGUgfX0>="
[Docs > Kratos > Emails-sms > Send SMS to your users](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/emails-sms/sending-sms) After completing these steps, 2FA via SMS should be configured in your Ory identity system. Users will be able to set up SMS as their second factor and receive one-time codes via SMS when performing actions that require 2FA. Remember to test your configuration thoroughly to ensure it works as expected. Also, be aware of the security considerations mentioned in the documentation regarding SMS-based 2FA, as it's considered less secure than some other methods like TOTP or WebAuthn.
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@chilly-king-10285 when I try to update the mfa_enabled property to true in my identity config as mentioned above, ory cli responds that update was successful. but looking at the identity config, I still find mfa_enabled to be false.
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A message from kapa.ai
I apologize for the confusion. It seems you're experiencing an issue with updating the
mfa_enabled
property in your Ory identity configuration. Let's troubleshoot this issue step by step: 1. First, let's make sure we're using the correct command to update the configuration. The command you should use is:
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ory patch identity-config --project <your-project-id> --replace '/selfservice/methods/code/mfa_enabled=true'
Note that we're using
--replace
instead of
--add
as mentioned in the [Ory CLI documentation](https://www.ory.sh/docs/cli/ory-patch-identity-config). 2. After running this command, you should verify the configuration. You can do this by running:
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ory get identity-config --project <your-project-id> --format yaml
This will show you the current configuration. 3. If you still see
mfa_enabled: false
after running these commands, there might be a few reasons for this: a. The change might not be reflected immediately due to caching or propagation delays. b. There might be a conflict with other configuration settings. c. The CLI might not have the necessary permissions to make this change. 4. To troubleshoot further, you can try the following: a. Wait a few minutes and check the configuration again. b. Try updating the entire
code
configuration block:
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ory patch identity-config --project <your-project-id> --replace '/selfservice/methods/code={"enabled":true,"mfa_enabled":true}'
c. If you're using the Ory Network, you can also try making this change through the [Ory Console](https://console.ory.sh/). Go to AuthenticationTwo-factor auth and enable the SMS/Email option. 5. If none of these steps work, you might want to check your project's permissions and make sure you have the necessary rights to modify the identity configuration. If you continue to experience issues after trying these steps, I recommend reaching out to Ory support or posting in the [Ory Community](https://community.ory.sh/) for further assistance. They can provide more specific help based on your project setup and configuration. Remember, when working with configuration changes, always make sure to test thoroughly in a non-production environment first to ensure the changes have the desired effect and don't cause any unintended consequences.
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@chilly-king-10285 is it true that passwordless should be set to false, if I want to enable mfa via code? what does passwordless mean in this context, and what features am I turning off?
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A message from kapa.ai
Yes, it's true that
passwordless
should be set to false if you want to enable multi-factor authentication (MFA) via code. Let me explain what passwordless means in this context and what features you're affecting: 1. Passwordless authentication: In the context of Ory, passwordless authentication refers to a method where users can log in without entering a password. Instead, they use methods like one-time codes sent via email or SMS, or WebAuthn (e.g., biometrics, security keys). 2. MFA vs. Passwordless: When
passwordless
is set to
true
, it means the system will use the code method (SMS or email) for primary authentication. When it's set to
false
, the code method is used for secondary authentication (MFA). As stated in the [Ory documentation](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/mfa/mfa-via-sms): "If MFA via code to sms / email is enabled, this method can not be used for passwordless login." 3. Features affected: By setting
passwordless
to
false
, you're configuring the system to: - Use the code method (SMS or email) as a second factor of authentication, not as the primary authentication method. - Require users to first authenticate with their primary method (usually username/password) before using the code as a second factor. - Enable the traditional MFA flow where users provide two different types of authentication factors. 4. Configuration: To enable MFA via code, your configuration should look like this:
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yaml    selfservice:      methods:        code:          mfa_enabled: true          config:            passwordless: false
[Docs > Kratos > Mfa > SMS and Email 2FA](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/mfa/mfa-via-sms) By setting
passwordless
to
false
, you're not turning off any features per se. Instead, you're defining how the code method should be used in your authentication flow. You're configuring it to be used as a second factor (MFA) rather than as a primary authentication method (passwordless login). Remember, if you want to offer both passwordless login and MFA via code, you would need to configure them separately and carefully consider the user experience and security implications of your chosen setup.
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@chilly-king-10285 how do I allow my users to manually enable or disable MFA via their account settings?
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A message from kapa.ai
To allow your users to manually enable or disable Multi-Factor Authentication (MFA) via their account settings, you need to configure the Ory Account Experience or implement a custom user interface that interacts with Ory's APIs. Here's how you can achieve this: 1. Enable MFA methods: First, ensure that you have enabled the MFA methods you want to offer (e.g., TOTP, WebAuthn, SMS) in your Ory configuration. You can do this through the Ory Console or CLI as described in the [Ory documentation](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/mfa/overview). 2. Use Ory Account Experience: If you're using the Ory Account Experience, MFA management is already built-in. Users can access their account settings to enable or disable MFA methods. The Ory Account Experience provides a user-friendly interface for managing MFA settings [Ory Docs - Account Experience](https://www.ory.sh/docs/account-experience/). 3. Custom Implementation: If you're building a custom UI, you'll need to implement the following flows: a. Enable MFA: - Initiate a settings flow for the user. - Present the available MFA methods to the user. - When the user chooses a method, use the appropriate API to set up the chosen MFA method. b. Disable MFA: - Initiate a settings flow for the user. - Present the currently enabled MFA methods. - When the user chooses to disable a method, use the API to remove the MFA method. 4. API Endpoints: You'll be working with the following API endpoints: - To get the settings flow:
GET /self-service/settings/flows
- To update settings:
POST /self-service/settings
[Ory API Reference - frontend](https://www.ory.sh/docs/reference/api#tag/frontend) 5. User Interface: In your account settings page, you should include options for users to: - View currently enabled MFA methods - Enable new MFA methods - Disable existing MFA methods 6. Security Considerations: - Require re-authentication for enabling or disabling MFA to ensure the user's identity. - Inform users about the security implications of disabling MFA. 7. Lookup Secrets: Consider offering lookup secrets (recovery codes) when users enable MFA. This provides a fallback method if they lose access to their MFA device [Ory Docs - Lookup Secrets](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/mfa/lookup-secrets). Remember, the exact implementation will depend on your specific setup and the MFA methods you've enabled. Always refer to the most recent Ory documentation for the latest API specifications and best practices. It's important to note that while users can enable or disable MFA methods, you might want to enforce MFA for certain high-risk operations or user roles. You can configure this at the application level or through Ory's policies.
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@chilly-king-10285 I am not getting any Ui nodes from then settings flow for mfa even though it is enabled in my identity config
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A message from kapa.ai
I understand you're not seeing any UI nodes for MFA in the settings flow, even though you've enabled it in your identity configuration. This issue can occur due to several reasons. Let's troubleshoot this step by step: 1. Verify MFA Configuration: First, double-check that MFA is correctly enabled in your identity configuration. You can do this by running:
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ory get identity-config --project <your-project-id> --format yaml
Look for the
selfservice.methods.totp
or
selfservice.methods.code
section (depending on which MFA method you're using) and ensure that
enabled
and
mfa_enabled
are both set to
true
. 2. Check Identity Schema: Ensure that your identity schema includes the necessary fields for MFA. For example, if you're using TOTP, your schema should include a field for the TOTP secret. If you're using SMS, make sure there's a field for the phone number. 3. Verify Settings Flow Configuration: Make sure that the settings flow is correctly configured to include MFA options. In your identity configuration, check the
selfservice.flows.settings
section. 4. Use the Correct API Endpoint: Ensure you're using the correct API endpoint to initiate the settings flow. The endpoint should be:
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GET /self-service/settings/flows
[Ory API Reference - createBrowserSettingsFlow](https://www.ory.sh/docs/reference/api#tag/frontend/operation/createBrowserSettingsFlow) 5. Check for Required Authentication Level: Some settings, including MFA, might require a higher authentication level. Make sure your session has the required Authentication Assurance Level (AAL). You might need to set:
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yaml
   selfservice:
     flows:
       settings:
         required_aal: highest_available
[Ory Docs - Step-up authentication](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/mfa/step-up-authentication) 6. Inspect the API Response: When you make a request to the settings flow endpoint, carefully inspect the entire response. Look for any error messages or unexpected data that might indicate why the MFA nodes are missing. 7. Check for Conflicts: Ensure there are no conflicts in your configuration. For example, if you have both passwordless and MFA enabled for the same method, it might cause issues. If you've verified all these points and you're still not seeing the MFA nodes, there might be a bug or a more complex configuration issue. In this case, I recommend: 1. Double-check the [Ory documentation on MFA](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/mfa/overview) to ensure you haven't missed any configuration steps. 2. If the issue persists, consider reaching out to [Ory support](https://www.ory.sh/contact/) or posting in the [Ory Community forum](https://community.ory.sh/) with your specific configuration details (make sure to remove any sensitive information). They can provide more targeted assistance based on your exact setup.
I understand you're not seeing any UI nodes for MFA in the settings flow, even though you've enabled it in your identity configuration. This issue can occur due to several reasons. Let's troubleshoot this step by step: 1. Verify MFA Configuration: First, double-check that MFA is correctly enabled in your identity configuration. You can do this by running:
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ory get identity-config --project <your-project-id> --format yaml
Look for the
selfservice.methods.totp
or
selfservice.methods.code
section (depending on which MFA method you're using) and ensure that
enabled
and
mfa_enabled
are both set to
true
. 2. Check Identity Schema: Ensure that your identity schema includes the necessary fields for MFA. For example, if you're using TOTP, your schema should include a field for the TOTP secret. If you're using SMS, make sure there's a field for the phone number. 3. Verify Settings Flow Configuration: Make sure that the settings flow is correctly configured to include MFA options. In your identity configuration, check the
selfservice.flows.settings
section. 4. Use the Correct API Endpoint: Ensure you're using the correct API endpoint to initiate the settings flow. The endpoint should be:
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GET /self-service/settings/flows
[Ory API Reference - createBrowserSettingsFlow](https://www.ory.sh/docs/reference/api#tag/frontend/operation/createBrowserSettingsFlow) 5. Check for Required Authentication Level: Some settings, including MFA, might require a higher authentication level. Make sure your session has the required Authentication Assurance Level (AAL). You might need to set:
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yaml    selfservice:      flows:        settings:          required_aal: highest_available
[Ory Docs - Step-up authentication](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/mfa/step-up-authentication) 6. Inspect the API Response: When you make a request to the settings flow endpoint, carefully inspect the entire response. Look for any error messages or unexpected data that might indicate why the MFA nodes are missing. 7. Check for Conflicts: Ensure there are no conflicts in your configuration. For example, if you have both passwordless and MFA enabled for the same method, it might cause issues. If you've verified all these points and you're still not seeing the MFA nodes, there might be a bug or a more complex configuration issue. In this case, I recommend: 1. Double-check the [Ory documentation on MFA](https://www.ory.sh/docs/kratos/mfa/overview) to ensure you haven't missed any configuration steps. 2. If the issue persists, consider reaching out to [Ory support](https://www.ory.sh/contact/) or posting in the [Ory Community forum](https://community.ory.sh/) with your specific configuration details (make sure to remove any sensitive information). They can provide more targeted assistance based on your exact setup. Remember, the behavior of UI nodes can sometimes be affected by other configuration settings or by the specific state of the user's account. Always test your configuration thoroughly in a non-production environment before deploying changes to production.